Comments on: Off-topic Thoughts on Nazis and Irony http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/ A celebration of people who don't give up. Wed, 20 May 2009 21:37:01 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: hoppiemochie http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-730 hoppiemochie Wed, 20 May 2009 21:37:01 +0000 http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-730 Hiya all of youz!.. How are yaz doing? Hiya all of youz!..
How are yaz doing?

]]> By: judgesnineteen http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-35 judgesnineteen Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:06:43 +0000 http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-35 "Testosterone Championship Games." Love it. Reminds me of a TV show I saw once where a guy was worrying about whether his girlfriend was sexually satisfied and his male friend said he was gay for caring, and the guy was like, "Yeah, wanting to give women orgasms makes me so homosexual." I guess people just don't get that gender and sexual orientation are two different things. And yeah, let me know about the new version : ). “Testosterone Championship Games.” Love it. Reminds me of a TV show I saw once where a guy was worrying about whether his girlfriend was sexually satisfied and his male friend said he was gay for caring, and the guy was like, “Yeah, wanting to give women orgasms makes me so homosexual.” I guess people just don’t get that gender and sexual orientation are two different things.

And yeah, let me know about the new version : ).

]]> By: StealthBadger http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-34 StealthBadger Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:21:05 +0000 http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-34 You're very welcome. I considered it mental floss for me, and am incorporating it and greatly expanding upon it as I merge it into what I'm working on now. If you're interested, I'll let you know when the updated version/follow ons/set of rants and stuffs is done. <i>random thought: isn’t it funny how feminists are stereotyped as being lesbians AND obsessing over abortion? Why would women who don’t want to have sex with men need abortions (especially in a world where women only get raped if they “ask for it”)?</i> Yep. The fact that men who don't want to participate in the Testosterone Championship Games (whether they happen to be straight or not doesn't matter), are called pussies is nearly that funny. Not as funny, but funny. And neither is "ha, ha" funny, unless you count the laughter that comes when you finally understand what you're living in, and you'd rather not break down (or up, but very much want out or off). You’re very welcome. I considered it mental floss for me, and am incorporating it and greatly expanding upon it as I merge it into what I’m working on now. If you’re interested, I’ll let you know when the updated version/follow ons/set of rants and stuffs is done.

random thought: isn’t it funny how feminists are stereotyped as being lesbians AND obsessing over abortion? Why would women who don’t want to have sex with men need abortions (especially in a world where women only get raped if they “ask for it”)?

Yep. The fact that men who don’t want to participate in the Testosterone Championship Games (whether they happen to be straight or not doesn’t matter), are called pussies is nearly that funny. Not as funny, but funny.

And neither is “ha, ha” funny, unless you count the laughter that comes when you finally understand what you’re living in, and you’d rather not break down (or up, but very much want out or off).

]]> By: judgesnineteen http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-33 judgesnineteen Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:04:44 +0000 http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-33 I have no problem with calling people out on your/you're, because writing is not natural in the way speech is. Since the human brain is set up in such a way as to more or less automatically learn/create spoken or signed language, I think it's dumb to say that one person's language isn't as good as another person's. But writing has to be invented and learned consciously, so one person's writing system or use thereof can actually be better than another person's. That's my understanding, anyway. So yeah, I agree with you. Thank *you* for writing such a great post on feminazis! I found it via the 101 blog. And I think your analysis of where that anger stems from is spot-on. Reminds me of Michael Savage saying that the civil rights movement was actually just about stealing the birthright of white heterosexual Christian men (don't know where that's from, my friend quoted it to me). random thought: isn't it funny how feminists are stereotyped as being lesbians AND obsessing over abortion? Why would women who don't want to have sex with men need abortions (especially in a world where women only get raped if they "ask for it")? I have no problem with calling people out on your/you’re, because writing is not natural in the way speech is. Since the human brain is set up in such a way as to more or less automatically learn/create spoken or signed language, I think it’s dumb to say that one person’s language isn’t as good as another person’s. But writing has to be invented and learned consciously, so one person’s writing system or use thereof can actually be better than another person’s. That’s my understanding, anyway. So yeah, I agree with you.

Thank *you* for writing such a great post on feminazis! I found it via the 101 blog. And I think your analysis of where that anger stems from is spot-on. Reminds me of Michael Savage saying that the civil rights movement was actually just about stealing the birthright of white heterosexual Christian men (don’t know where that’s from, my friend quoted it to me).

random thought: isn’t it funny how feminists are stereotyped as being lesbians AND obsessing over abortion? Why would women who don’t want to have sex with men need abortions (especially in a world where women only get raped if they “ask for it”)?

]]> By: StealthBadger http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-32 StealthBadger Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:02:41 +0000 http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-32 Hello! Remember that rush didn't just say that they're waging a Holocaust, but that(paraphrasing) it was their life's work to make sure that as many abortions happened as possible. Shades of phantom pink-Glock-wielding lesbian gangs, yanno. And a good deal of his and his ilk's reaction is from the fear and anger that the tribal lore of "rich straight white dude good, all else less good the further away it is from rich straight white dude" is being challenged. When the group you're in identifies itself with the subtext that any number of poisonous "-isms" is Just Fine, challenging that contention by definition challenges the group's existence (in the group's mind). And about grammar nazis - I grit my teeth about you're/your in formal and semi-formal writing because the set of symbols literally mean different things on paper, but the way you speak with your voice is your own business. My two cents, and thank you for the link. ^.^ *poingpoings off for more coffee* Hello!

Remember that rush didn’t just say that they’re waging a Holocaust, but that(paraphrasing) it was their life’s work to make sure that as many abortions happened as possible. Shades of phantom pink-Glock-wielding lesbian gangs, yanno. And a good deal of his and his ilk’s reaction is from the fear and anger that the tribal lore of “rich straight white dude good, all else less good the further away it is from rich straight white dude” is being challenged. When the group you’re in identifies itself with the subtext that any number of poisonous “-isms” is Just Fine, challenging that contention by definition challenges the group’s existence (in the group’s mind).

And about grammar nazis – I grit my teeth about you’re/your in formal and semi-formal writing because the set of symbols literally mean different things on paper, but the way you speak with your voice is your own business.

My two cents, and thank you for the link. ^.^

*poingpoings off for more coffee*

]]> By: judgesnineteen http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-31 judgesnineteen Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:40:25 +0000 http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-31 Definitely. I have a friend who's really defensive about it. I was talking specifically about fundamentalist Christians, 3 particular ones in fact, and he started talking about how that doesn't mean all Christians are like that, etc, as if I had implied that they were. Which doesn't make very much sense since I was a Christian until sometime this summer, so I'm well aware that they're not all fundamentalists. But a lot of religious people feel attacked, and I'm sure a lot of people do see them all as ignorant and arrogant and all of that. I feel like everyone is defensive, and that makes everyone so much quicker to attack, which exacerbates the situation, gets a cycle going. Non-Christians are tired of Christianity being the norm, so they try to cut it out of the public, secular sphere; Christians feel they're being censored and attacked, so they stubbornly say Merry Christmas to everyone indiscriminately; non-Christians get more offended and fight harder, for example. I think the most important division isn't between different beliefs but between people who think we should deal with disagreements humanely and people who think we should kill our opponents. I still think it's weird, though, that the people around me who dislike feminism complain about regular feminists instead of bringing up horrific stories like the SCUM one. I mean, it's just better strategy to talk about a feminist who shot a man, if you're an anti-feminist. Maybe it was just too long ago or something. I don't know, I almost appreciate the fairness of not saying all feminists are like her, but since they still call nonviolent, un-Nazi-like feminists feminazis, I'm still kind of annoyed. Not much though. I mainly just posted this because I think it's interesting to think about, and kind of funny. Definitely. I have a friend who’s really defensive about it. I was talking specifically about fundamentalist Christians, 3 particular ones in fact, and he started talking about how that doesn’t mean all Christians are like that, etc, as if I had implied that they were. Which doesn’t make very much sense since I was a Christian until sometime this summer, so I’m well aware that they’re not all fundamentalists. But a lot of religious people feel attacked, and I’m sure a lot of people do see them all as ignorant and arrogant and all of that. I feel like everyone is defensive, and that makes everyone so much quicker to attack, which exacerbates the situation, gets a cycle going. Non-Christians are tired of Christianity being the norm, so they try to cut it out of the public, secular sphere; Christians feel they’re being censored and attacked, so they stubbornly say Merry Christmas to everyone indiscriminately; non-Christians get more offended and fight harder, for example. I think the most important division isn’t between different beliefs but between people who think we should deal with disagreements humanely and people who think we should kill our opponents.

I still think it’s weird, though, that the people around me who dislike feminism complain about regular feminists instead of bringing up horrific stories like the SCUM one. I mean, it’s just better strategy to talk about a feminist who shot a man, if you’re an anti-feminist. Maybe it was just too long ago or something. I don’t know, I almost appreciate the fairness of not saying all feminists are like her, but since they still call nonviolent, un-Nazi-like feminists feminazis, I’m still kind of annoyed. Not much though. I mainly just posted this because I think it’s interesting to think about, and kind of funny.

]]> By: Lola Lyndon http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-30 Lola Lyndon Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:54:43 +0000 http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-30 I am also frustrated that the movement is stereotyped according to the behaviour of the most belligerent and excessive among us. I guess this is sort of how both moderate Muslims and Christians are feeling these days also. I am also frustrated that the movement is stereotyped according to the behaviour of the most belligerent and excessive among us.

I guess this is sort of how both moderate Muslims and Christians are feeling these days also.

]]> By: judgesnineteen http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-28 judgesnineteen Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:11:37 +0000 http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-28 I just wish people would specifically call out these extremists rather than conflating them with other feminists. Although, maybe that's not even the problem. Because like I said, I went my whole life till today without hearing about actual feminist violence, and yet I'm surrounded by people who use the word feminazi to describe feminists - the nonviolent ones. I just wish people would specifically call out these extremists rather than conflating them with other feminists. Although, maybe that’s not even the problem. Because like I said, I went my whole life till today without hearing about actual feminist violence, and yet I’m surrounded by people who use the word feminazi to describe feminists – the nonviolent ones.

]]> By: Lola Lyndon http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-26 Lola Lyndon Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:35:55 +0000 http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-26 Unfortunately, extremism is still a significant problem within Feminism. Unfortunately, extremism is still a significant problem within Feminism.

]]> By: judgesnineteen http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-25 judgesnineteen Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:56:23 +0000 http://badasses.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/off-topic-thoughts-on-nazis-and-irony/#comment-25 Oh, thanks for the info. Funny, I knew about SCUM but someone said that they didn't even consider themselves feminist. But yeah, there are always extremists. Weird that I had never known that about Andy Warhol. Oh, thanks for the info. Funny, I knew about SCUM but someone said that they didn’t even consider themselves feminist. But yeah, there are always extremists. Weird that I had never known that about Andy Warhol.

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